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Through my involvement in the Republican Party, I have come to realize that there is a distinction between those who call themselves Republicans and those who live by conservative principles. I do not wish to offend anyone with the points that I must make, as I know that many, if not most of our Republican leadership operate under the most admirable intentions. My demur lies not with this framework itself, but with the occasional lack of consideration for political principles within it.

I believe that the moral prerogative that charters the party cannot be cast aside merely at the bidding of the mechanism itself. I am of the belief that our party no longer serves principle, but is more focused on winning elections. I do not believe, as I have found many others do, that winning elections ought to be our ultimate goal. Winning an election is a means to an end, not an end itself. Our end, if it be just, is the implementation of sound policies -- those that are requisites for a free society. Certainly, the Republican Party realizes great victories in countless elections year after year, but seldom it seems are the principles that we find so reputable nearly as victorious. It saddens and concerns me that we often see that the most important standard that our candidates are held to, is one of mere victory. If this is our goal, then we really have no goal at all.

The message of America -- that of peace, liberty, and prosperity – has loosened its guard. The inclination of power, which inevitably seeks nothing but its own advance to victory has permeated our leadership. We are failing in our sacred duty of self-government, which is to offer compassionately to one another the contract of liberty, and to stand relentless in defense of the moral action which that ideal necessitates. Will we continue to mollify this decree, a responsibility as intrinsic to ourselves as the rights which it defends? If I see that my enemy is winning, my inclination ought to be to fight harder, not to drop my own flag, and lead the charge with theirs. But that is what many conservatives did in this last election. They have lost their faith in the Republican Party and of the once sacred values of conservatism that are no longer evident.

Our Republican candidates must adhere to some very basic criteria. The party must reject candidates who do not accept the fundamental precepts of natural rights, or the American notion of federalism. They must understand the moral consequences of human action as broadened to the wider sphere of economics, and the system that most effectively incorporates that action -- the free market system. We must see in them a deep respect and concern for human life, and a boundless consideration of the human spirit. They must value individualism over collectivism and statism. We should expect that they would do honor to the Republican Creed.

These candidates will be bound by their oath of office to uphold the Constitution of the United States to the best of their ability, and if that binding is weak, we should assume that their understanding of the proper functions of government is just as weak. The Constitution is not perfect nor is any human capable of being a perfect Constitutionalist. But without the constituting of a philosophically sound mandate on the purpose of government, there can be no rule of law by which justice is maintained, and no civilities by which we may improve our governance. Foremost, candidates must understand and abide by the mutual contract of liberty, the piPce de résistance of the American ideal. I believe this is a very broad and flexible set of standards.

One of the worst things that we can do is support more candidates who will dismantle and distort the message of limited government even further. There are Republicans , in name only, who show no qualms in vehemently declaring their "progressive" policies (in this context, this means Big Government). Over the years, I have preserved a portion of society's collective memory which reminds me that an alike vein of progressive "Maverick" policies brought no-holds-barred welfarism to the United States and that "Change" is what Hitler brought to Germany in 1933.

There is indeed an ideological lineage around and within the Republican party that I am proud to count myself as a subscriber to -- embraced whether wholly or in part by the likes of Barry Goldwater, Walter E. Williams, Howard Buffett, Jeff Flake, P. J. O'Rourke, Gary Johnson, Felix Morley, Robert Taft, Ron Paul, Bob Marshall, Ken Cuccinelli, Calvin Coolidge, and many others. But this gives no credence to the policy of rubber stamping.

If we are to save our Republic, it must be done by individuals such as ourselves, through education and political action. The former is my primary aim, and with the latter, I must proceed carefully. Thus, while I can vote for whomever I wish in the privacy of the voting booth, I do not want to be dishonest or misleading in my intentions. I would imagine more respect for me would be lost if I were to simply lie instead of making a principled decision that you might not agree with. It is regrettable that I cannot commit to always abide by the by-laws of the Republican Party, in particular the section that requires me to support the Republican nominee for every respective office if that candidate does not demonstrate through practice, adherence to the conservative principles that are the very foundation of our great nation and to the Republican Creed.

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dljholt- I had backed away from the discussion that you had started. Somehow I knew that given time, you would do as you said in your original post, you would look to educate people. What exactly will that education involve. Will it stick to the Constitution and Federalist principles? Fred Thompson has already been there, and has stated that case in a manner that would put Libertarians too shame. I still believe that your original article is right on. You talked about the Constitution, and the fact that you didn't feel the need to hold your nose in order to vote for someone you did not believe in. Yes, I did vote for McCain as I felt he may have been better than the oppsotion Obama. While you have not declared your vote in this past election, as is your right, you seem to have more problems with Republicans than you do with the Democrats/Liberals. Respectfully, it has been my observation that the Libertarians and Ron Paul supporters have not spoken much about Obama and his Liberal friends with their Socialist/Marxist philosophies, even though they seem more at odds with your beliefs than the Republicans. Why is that?

You have spoken about all the generations in your family that have been Americans. The original inhabitors were the American Indians. You write about the problems with our borders not being controlled by our military, while they are in other countries protecting America. You talk about all the crime that comes across our borders, and then follow up immediately with the Mexican Border problem, and the Ramos and Compean legal issue. Personally, I feel that Ramos and Compean should be freed, that's another story. You don't address the problem with all entry into our country, with our open ports and our northern border. There are worse elements trying to get into our country than Mexican people looking for work. You don't addrtess that issue.

Your statement that "I personally would rather take my chances with the terrorists" in response to the Patriot Act is appaling and more than naieve. A few examples- "The Liberty City 7" Florida- Planned to blow up buildings with help from Al-Qaeda terror network. They were targeting the Sears Tower in Chicago, and Miami FBI offices, and shooting any survivors. California- Jamiyyot UL-Islam Is-Saheen, or JIS. Three men were arrested after a police investigation of a gas station robbery served a "search warrant" where they found the organization master plan. They were planning attacks on military sites, Synagogues and other Jewish Centers. This should be very familar to you, Ali Al-Timimi, Falls Church, VA, convicted of inspiring a group of followers to attend terrorist training camps abroad to battle American Troops. Shall I go on. You have access to the Domestic Terror groups and convictions as much as I do. Let me add, there are as many Hispanic "gangs" in the US as there are African American and White Supremacist gangs. Not to mention the Nazi and Communist gangs.

You talk about the freedoms taken away from American citizens as though the Government is watching you take a bath. You have said that they can access what you say, what you write and etc. Can you show me one case where the Government has prosecuted any innocent American Citizen based on illegal wiretaps? I am not aware of any. Do you think that having court issued warrants against Blagojevitch was an intrusion into privacy? The cases I mentioned above were also the result of court issued warrants for searches. While I am a big time freedom advocate, I have no problem whatever if anyone wants to listen to my conversations in search of terrorism. I have nothing to hide. I love the fact that the wiretapping instances have kept me safe. Why are you so offended by it? What you really should be worried about is what the incoming administration is heading towards and the real freedoms you will lose. Do you think that McCain (as repulsive as he was to many) would have been worse?
Sandy,

I'm not so sure we need to rehash the McCain thing. Unfortunately not enough conservatives stood up during the primaries to make a difference. It could have been that liberals crossed the isle to elect McCain for us or it was more likely that there are enough moderate republicans who wanted an amnesty bill that voted for McCain. I think once he was nominated you did the right thing to vote for him. At that point you had to fight for the lesser of two evils. Fred Thompsom had some flaws too. He was my favorite but some things that I read about him and his support for the League of Nations were a little troublesome. I guess there's no such thing as a perfect candidate. I liked Romney but being from Massachusetts I found his handling of the gay marriage issue downright cowardly and his healthcare bill in Mass was unconstitutional.

We have problems with all of our boarders, but drugs and criminals come across our southern border in staggering numbers. Millions of illegal mexicans are currently in this country using illegal SS #'s and working for substandard wages. My parents live in a neighborhood in Florida that was once a nice quiet place for elderly people to settle in and retire. Now there are only a handful of Americans left there and my parents can't sell their house. The neighborhood has deteriorated and my mom substitutes at a local school where the Mexican children joke around about never have to work because they can live on American welfare now. You can read my other post to see more of my feelings on immigration. We need immigration, it needs to be legal and limited. I'm only against a migrant worker program in that they must come here to work if they want then go home when they are done.
Oh yea Mark- Not anyone who is remotely conservative stood up in the primaries in enough numbers and support. What the heck was everyone waiting for- the reincarnation of Reagan to appear before us? You are right, we don't need to rehash McCain. Lord knows, who wants to . A perfect candidate does not exist, and he/she will not in 2010 or 2012 either.

I know what you are saying with the illegal immigration problem. Believe me, I have read all about the entitlements going to the undocumented, the birth right citizenship and the jobs issue. Tell me something, what citizen do you know is willing to muck stalls in a horse barn and do that work, what citizen is willing to stand in the hot baking sun to pick vegetables and fruit all day, what citizen is willing to do the hard physical work that so many Hispanics are willing to do for so little money? The system as it is, keeps the Hispanics in poverty,and provides some real egregious employers with cheap labor. What do you do? The Hispanics need work, the Americans need work, but are unwilling to do the manuel labor involved because it is either beneath them or doesn't pay enough. I applaud the Hispanic work ethic, but, also recognize the problems. Were you the one that posted a plan to address the immigration problem? Whoever it was had a great idea. From all I understand, the Latino/Hispanic who are citizens also have a problem with those that want to come here illegally, when they had to wait in line and go through the motions. What say you Tito and Deborah? I will read responses tomorrow as I am going to my nest now.

Mark Collins said:
Sandy,

I'm not so sure we need to rehash the McCain thing. Unfortunately not enough conservatives stood up during the primaries to make a difference. It could have been that liberals crossed the isle to elect McCain for us or it was more likely that there are enough moderate republicans who wanted an amnesty bill that voted for McCain. I think once he was nominated you did the right thing to vote for him. At that point you had to fight for the lesser of two evils. Fred Thompsom had some flaws too. He was my favorite but some things that I read about him and his support for the League of Nations were a little troublesome. I guess there's no such thing as a perfect candidate. I liked Romney but being from Massachusetts I found his handling of the gay marriage issue downright cowardly and his healthcare bill in Mass was unconstitutional.

We have problems with all of our boarders, but drugs and criminals come across our southern border in staggering numbers. Millions of illegal mexicans are currently in this country using illegal SS #'s and working for substandard wages. My parents live in a neighborhood in Florida that was once a nice quiet place for elderly people to settle in and retire. Now there are only a handful of Americans left there and my parents can't sell their house. The neighborhood has deteriorated and my mom substitutes at a local school where the Mexican children joke around about never have to work because they can live on American welfare now. You can read my other post to see more of my feelings on immigration. We need immigration, it needs to be legal and limited. I'm only against a migrant worker program in that they must come here to work if they want then go home when they are done.
One thing to keep in mind Sandy is that a large portion of the migrant work force are not Spanish at all. The largest portion of Mexicans fleeing to the U.S. are of native decent.

What do you do to solve the problem. A few things.

1. Put nonviolent prisoners to work. Put them back on farms and cleaning stalls or wherever else you need them. Make sure they are places where you are not displacing the civilian work force though. Do not pay them except to put a couple of dollars an hour aside in escrow for when they are released. This will also help them get there life back together when the are free. The rest of the money should go to pay for their incarceration.

2. Rearrange the school years so that kids can go back to work on the farm in the summer time. Offer kids school credit for doing summer jobs and lower the miminum wage for high schoolers. There's no reason to force a business to pay a bagger $7 per hour to crush your bread. My father and all of my uncles worked on farms when they weren't in school. Unfortunately we baby our children till they are in their 20's now.

3. Get the welfare state back to work as well. I'm tired of hearing American's won't do that job. If they can sit at home collecting welfare than they can pitch in.

4. For remaining work needs establish a legitimate migrant worker program where people can come to this country to fill a need then go home when it is done. Companies wishing to use these workers should be responsible for keeping track of them and giving them housing while they are here. Companies using the workers should also pay into a healthcare fund for the worker while they are in the country. Only working family members should be allowed to take part in the program. It doesn't make sense to bring your whole family here if you are coming for a seasonal job. A program can also be set up where if a person has worked here off and on for a number of years and has established relationships and been an upstanding member of the community they can apply for an expedited path to citizenship.

5. Cut off funding for illegal aliens except to help them get home and to help them enroll in the migrant worker program.
Just some thoughts, in no particular order of priority.

Supporting the lesser of two evils is still supporting evil. I voted for Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party. No, he may not be a "perfect" candidate either, but I didn't find anything that he stood for that I couldn't support. There may have been something, but I didn't find it. When I have to account for my actions before my Creator, I don't want to have to say "but I supported the lesser of two evils."

I've heard from friends of mine that as long as we're not doing/saying anything "wrong", we shouldn't be worried about the invasion of privacy provided by the Patriot Act. "Wrong" is a subjective term. Now that the opposition will be taking the Oval Office and will have the authority to use the Patriot Act as they deem appropriate, let's all hope that speaking out against an incumbent administration and its policies never gets classified as "wrong". Maybe not in the next 4 or 8 years. All in incremental steps.

I believe there are some super-wealthy folks, like the owners of the Federal Reserve Bank, who determine what road this country walks down. I don't call it conspiracy theory, because it's not conspiracy nor is it theory. Conspiracy connotes some form of secrecy. Rockefeller has admitted in his biography that he is proudly a globalist. He, and members of the Council on Foreign Relations, provide significant input into the policies of our government as we continue to move closer and closer to a one-world government under the UN, regardless of which party is in office. Dismiss it as conspiracy theory if you will, but prove it wrong.

I believe the answer to most, if not all, of the ills that plague this country right now is to get back to our constitutional roots, as intended by our founding fathers. No, it can't be done in immediately, but it can be done in time. Begin by getting us back on a sound monetary policy by using real money, i.e., get back on the gold standard. Abolish the IRS and get back to a tax system in keeping with what the founding fathers established. Close the Federal Reserve Bank. Close the departments of the federal government that are unconstitutional, beginning with education. There's probably more, but my eyelids are getting heavy.
Mark I am against immigration that is not legal. But our system and geopolitical circumstances at times have created these problems. For instance, under the Reagan administration we were fighting the Sandinista government and the FMLN in El Salvador and many Nicaraguans and Salvadorians moved to the U.S. to escape the war. Many of these immigrants were of legal status and some had temporary work permits that allowed them to work legally, but they were not legal permanent residents, and remained for almost 12 years. Others followed their families and came with out proper documents. Many of them have children that are born here and many have children that came with them that are in their teens and have the same problems their fathers and mothers have (they’re here legally but they are not legal permanent residents or some others are undocumented). I have an uphill battle to convince the Latino population that the Republican Party is the party of inclusion, that the Republicans are people with feelings and good heart and that we are fighting for equality for everyone.
When you see a Latino what do you see? Do you see a person, or do you see an illegal immigrant? That’s the question that I can answer to anyone. Usually I am perceived by others as an illegal immigrant, even though I am an American citizen. Most of the times when I am talking to vendors or people that sell a product that my company requires, I am confronted with people that don’t understand my heavily accented English or don’t want to understand my English ( I use my wife Deborah to talk most of the times). I have been discriminated to the point that hate has been expressed to me. I am who I am and nothing is going to change that fact. Who is going to change the perception that almost forty million Latinos have against the Republican Party and the people in that party? I’m determined to do it? Are you game? I don’t want anyone to be politically correct. I prefer the truth to my face rather than hypocrisy.
Look at this report written before the recent elections and check the reality of the Latinos in the U.S. (www.pewhispanic.org). I would also like for people to check the American History years 1852 and the “Native Americans Beware of the Foreign Influence”. Immigration between 1870 and 1910, during the “Industrial America” 35 % of the total population were immigrants or children of immigrants. “The American Protective Association,” “America for Americans” in the 1920. The perception of the Latino community is not in favor of the Republican members and they might relate us Republicans with past histories.
I know what I have to do and I will continue to fight for a real solution to immigration, one that integrates immigrants to American values, history and culture, the other to integrate immigrants to the values and philosophy of the Republican Party. I know what I am going to do.
PS: I proudly voted for McCain because of national security.
Frank- The beauty of the American election process is that everyone has the right to vote for whom they choose. You choose Chuck Baldwin, perhaps because he was endorsed by Ron Paul. There were no policies that Ron Paul had that Baldwin did not ascribe to in full. It is not my desire or choice to get involved in the education that the Ron Paul/Chuck Baldwin supporters have deemed necessary for the American electorate. I am well aware of the Conspiracy Theorists fear mongering concerning the CFR, UN, WTO, IRS, Federal Reserve and NATO. I'm sure there are other organizations that I have not mentioned.

The best way that I can find to back out of this discussion is by adopting something I heard Glenn Beck say one day to a Ron Paul caller-

"You make me not like you immediately, because you people always feel that everyone is after you, and you are always victims"
Tito and Mark- We had started this discussion over at the Hispanic Coalition Group, and particularly in the Outreach section. I know that all ideas, comments and views are welcome. It is the only way we can work on what may be misconceptions or ways to improve our ability to communicate with one another so that we can all move forward in unison. I will leave my immigration comments there. This thread seems to be taking on a life of it's own, removed from what the original article had stated.

Tito Munoz said:
Mark I am against immigration that is not legal. But our system and geopolitical circumstances at times have created these problems. For instance, under the Reagan administration we were fighting the Sandinista government and the FMLN in El Salvador and many Nicaraguans and Salvadorians moved to the U.S. to escape the war. Many of these immigrants were of legal status and some had temporary work permits that allowed them to work legally, but they were not legal permanent residents, and remained for almost 12 years. Others followed their families and came with out proper documents. Many of them have children that are born here and many have children that came with them that are in their teens and have the same problems their fathers and mothers have (they’re here legally but they are not legal permanent residents or some others are undocumented). I have an uphill battle to convince the Latino population that the Republican Party is the party of inclusion, that the Republicans are people with feelings and good heart and that we are fighting for equality for everyone.
When you see a Latino what do you see? Do you see a person, or do you see an illegal immigrant? That’s the question that I can answer to anyone. Usually I am perceived by others as an illegal immigrant, even though I am an American citizen. Most of the times when I am talking to vendors or people that sell a product that my company requires, I am confronted with people that don’t understand my heavily accented English or don’t want to understand my English ( I use my wife Deborah to talk most of the times). I have been discriminated to the point that hate has been expressed to me. I am who I am and nothing is going to change that fact. Who is going to change the perception that almost forty million Latinos have against the Republican Party and the people in that party? I’m determined to do it? Are you game? I don’t want anyone to be politically correct. I prefer the truth to my face rather than hypocrisy.
Look at this report written before the recent elections and check the reality of the Latinos in the U.S. (www.pewhispanic.org). I would also like for people to check the American History years 1852 and the “Native Americans Beware of the Foreign Influence”. Immigration between 1870 and 1910, during the “Industrial America” 35 % of the total population were immigrants or children of immigrants. “The American Protective Association,” “America for Americans” in the 1920. The perception of the Latino community is not in favor of the Republican members and they might relate us Republicans with past histories.
I know what I have to do and I will continue to fight for a real solution to immigration, one that integrates immigrants to American values, history and culture, the other to integrate immigrants to the values and philosophy of the Republican Party. I know what I am going to do.
PS: I proudly voted for McCain because of national security.
Quote From Mark-"One thing to keep in mind Sandy is that a large portion of the migrant work force are not Spanish at all. The largest portion of Mexicans fleeing to the U.S. are of native decent." Mark: Yes, people from Spain are Spanish (Spanish people in fact are sometimes of Arabic or Jewish descent and geneology in every country is complicated). I'm assuming native descent means indiginous to you. Is being indiginous something bad in your eyes? Poor geneology in your book? This labelling and categorizing sounds like Arian talk and bolsters the misconception that some of my Republican brothers and sisters are subscribing to bigotry. In the true Judeo-Christian spirit of our country, our state and our party, I suggest we all recognize bigotry when we see it and try to irradicate it. Prejudice is poison for the one who owns it and subscribes to it. The Republican party will be at a loss if we do not extend loving and open arms to hard working and lawful immigrants regardless of their origins. We can all differ on what the composition of a guest worker program should be, how to reform immigration policy, etc., but one thing I want to establish here is that perception is key. Mark, if the language I am seeing here persists, it will bolster the perception among a huge voting block of Hispanics that they are not needed or wanted. I believe you sir are in the minority. We should have had that vote last November. I intend to work towards reaching out in a constructive fashion and so does Tito. As Tito suggested, please read the Pew stats.
I only stated that a large portion of immigrants were of native origins. I didn't say anything negative about them. I am of Native American origins myself. It was the Spanish conquistadors who set up the natives in central and south America as second class citizens. It really makes no difference to me who the illegal aliens are. If they come here with good intentions because they believe in this country and want to make a go of it here, my problem is with those who come here because we have a better welfare system. In Vermont there was a large problem with illegal bosnians, russians, and other Easter Europeans. Many came to Vermont and began engaging in crimes such as prostitution, drugs, and human trafficking. Others were good citizens who came legally and were very hard workers. I grew up in Lowell Massachusetts. My freshman year of high school there were fewer than 50 Southeast Asians in my school. By my senior year it was more than half the school and our taxes were going to "English as a second language" and bilingual courses. Still, by and large the children picked up English quickly and many were good hard working kids. I didn't know many of the adults but I certainly understood why my father who gave so much fighting for their country resented that they had now come to his. It is a very complex issue and I hold no ill will toward anyone looking to find a better life for their family. You must understand that republicans believe in giving people a chance but we also believe very strongly in the rule of law. Because a law doesn't suit you doesn't make it ok to disregard it. Furthermore there are not enough people like you apparently who could fight to change things in these other countries.
Mark, you will don't get it and you never will I am sorry for you Tito Munoz
I get it Tito. You are right that I will not agree with illegal immigration and the people who make excuses for it. You can however tell hispanics, if you want to get them to understand the republican party, that we are the party of limited government and of empowering the individual. That may not sway them because it may not be what some are looking for. For some it may be. The Democratic party looks to keep down the individual in favor government power. It is why the left is so pro-amnesty. They feel they've got that voting block locked up because they rely on social services.

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