Who should be the next RPV Chairman?

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Permalink Reply by Jim Minor on April 4, 2009 at 9:59pm

Is Jeff Frederick eligible to run again? It seems that the needs of the many do not outweigh the needs of the few...has the RPV lost touch with it's base? Maybe it is time we cleaned house and rebuilt from the ground up. Jeff, a Prince William Delegate won the Chairmanship from a long time Republican by the vote of the grass roots. Does the SCC not have any concern for the wishes of it's constituents?

It does not help my mood that MY HOD Represenitive Scott Lingamfelter has ignored no less than 4 emails from me asking what his position was on the Jeff Frederick contoversy. You would think as an elected official he would have the backbone to at least make his position known. I have been a voter since the age of 18, politically active because of Jeff for the last 7 years... now I feel I will become even more so to help root out the elite who think they do not have to communicate to their voter base....especially those who stood in the cold rain for 14 hours in a highly Democratic polling place without so much as a "thank you" from the canidate. Maybe Scott would like to comment on this...

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Permalink Reply by Popular Sovereignty on April 5, 2009 at 2:51am

I think Jeff Frederick would still make a good choice and last I heard he plans to run for the post again. We don't all march to the drums backbiters and cowards.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Collins on April 5, 2009 at 9:45am

I think I should be the new RPV chairman. I know myself better than any of these people.

In all seriousness if Jeff wins it back I think it would send a strong message that this is a party of it's people and not of the powerful few.

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Permalink Reply by Travis Strickland on April 7, 2009 at 12:52am

Forgive my ignorance, but do you think we will settle the vacancy at the convention?

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Permalink Reply by The Bulletproof Monk on April 7, 2009 at 10:58am

I'd support Former RPV Comm. Dir. Shaun Kenney.
I like Minchew, but I don't think he has room in a very busy life right now.
I like Gillespie. Because he's working fro McDonnell...I want him right where he is.

I like Bedell, but he's heading the second Committee in the Loudoun expansion out here.
Reasonable leadership that brings about a stronger grassroots presence is spreading out here.
It started with Glen Caroline in Loudoun- which posted very good numbers (in comparison to our neighboring counties) in the last election.Under Bedell's leadership, I look for this trend to expand to Fairfax in this election.

And lastly, but certainly not least..I need to learn more about Mr. Mullins.

Frederick may try to run again, but he won't have the numbers in this convention. An awful lot of disgruntled Ron Paul supporters were out in force at the last 10th District Convention, as well as the Richmond Convention. THAT is who put Frederick in place. It is also where three new SCC members were elected from the Tenth that supported Frederick in the latest vote. MANY of those disaffected Paulbots have lost their fire and gone home. Many did not even sign as delegates to this convention. And many of the hardest Frederick supporters have seen the actual charges, and come to a conclusion that it's either Party or Frederick.

I'm very strongly in support of a reconciliation of all parties involved, and cannot stress enough the importance of pulling resources together and pushing McDonnell from this moment forward. The enemy is the democrats.

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Permalink Reply by Bill Greene on April 7, 2009 at 12:00pm

Jeff Frederick should DEFINITELY run again. He'll win, too. I'm absolutely STUNNED that he was ousted. This is the kind of despicable, "smoke-filled backroom" politics of personal destruction that is going to absolutely KILL the VA GOP. Frederick represented the truly conservative grassroots of the GOP - that's why he was able to defeat the liberal Hager at the convention last year. The liberal losers couldn't stand that, and made sure to win back "their" party. Well, congratulations, guys -- now the VA GOP wil LOSE, LOSE, LOSE, just like it did thanks to your boy Hager. Frederick was beginning to turn things around -- and he still can, if he's elected back to where he belongs. Go for it, guys!

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Permalink Reply by Alan Moore on April 7, 2009 at 2:01pm

George Allen should do it, although I don't think he ever would.

This would have numerous advantages:

1. Fundraising would be through the roof, and with extra attention on the Virginia Governor's race with only one other gubernatorial race in the country, out of state fundraising would be especially high this year. You are already seeing that with McDonnell and McAuliffe.

2. Even if Frederick ran against him at the convention, he wouldn't beat George Allen who is still immensely popular with conservatives. I doubt Frederick would even try if Allen was on the ballot.

3. This could set up a glorious comeback for him to run against Webb in 2012. It would also put him back in the spotlight and hopefully put in motion the end of the macaca talk once and for all.

4. It would energize the base to come out and help their local races and get involved in the Governor's race.

5. A month from now people would be saying "Jeff who?"

I doubt he'd ever want to take on this job, just seems like he's happy living a normal life at this point. If he did he would have to stop apologizing and talking about macaca like he did in his Senate campaign, which ultimately cost him his seat.

I'd love to be a part of a "Draft Allen" movement if there was some support behind it.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Collins on April 8, 2009 at 12:39am

No offense Brian but you are a Moderate. The fact that you are OK with Frederick's ouster is to be expected. I don't pretend to know whether it was a good idea or not. I've only lived in this state for a little over a year and am just starting to learn it's politics. I do wholeheartedly disagree that this is not an ideological position.

I believe that the very future of our state and country depends upon moving the whole political body back to the right. Lately the Republican party has been happy to be "democrat light". I believe a lot of this has to do with the fact that personally we all lead such immoral lives that we are afraid of taking principled stands anymore. It is easy to be fiscally conservative but more difficult socially when we know that we fall far short of our own ideals. For that reason it is important for the leader of the party to sound out that conservative message. Not to pander to people to get them on board, but to win them over with the message.

I do believe I would agree with the gentleman who recommended George Allen.

Brian W. Schoeneman said:

If Frederick tries to run again, he will lose. He doesn't have a hundred grand and four or five months to campaign and recruit delegates throughout the Commonwealth. There was nothing "back room" about the State Central Committee, elected by local conventions, removing him from office. It was a tough decision for them to make, but it was the right one. This wasn't an ideological battle, it was about competence.

Allen is also a bad choice right now. First, the job is step down for him. Yes, he's a good fundraiser, but he's a good fundraiser regardless of whether or not he's in the Chairman's slot. And having him in charge would allow the Democrats to ignore McDonnell and spend all their time refighting the 2006 Senate race. It will be all macaca, all the time.

We need a professional who doesn't want to use the job as a stepping stone on the career ladder. Someone who isn't interested in the spotlight, but is willing to put in the long hours and get little of the credit. We need a good administrator with enough experience to make him credible to the entire party. We don't need a celebrity Chairman. We need a workhorse.

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Permalink Reply by The Bulletproof Monk on April 8, 2009 at 12:51am

No offense Mark, but you are a n extremist who's out of touch with the voters of Virginia.
See how that line works, Mark?
How 'bout you drop the divisive vocabulary and start realizing that Brian is spot on in his delivery.
The reasons he list for Frederick's failure are not based on hope and prayer...they are the facts. They are a definitive list of the very things that Jeff lacks this time around.

Can we all get back on the McDonnell and Bolling bus, now?

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Permalink Reply by Sandy Cope on April 8, 2009 at 7:33am

You know Monk, you are not Bulletproof. You have been the one to fire the most bullets on this site with your opposition to Frederick. Your words have been angry, lecturing and arrogant. Frederick may be incompetent, but the SCC members have been more so with their methods, delivery and timing. Maybe someone else can do a better job in the Chairs position, but, I am certain that all new members on the SCC would clean house and rid the party of the "dead wood" that has been responsible for Republican losses over the last few elections. Frederick has been in his position for 10 months. How long have some of the SCC members been in their positions, or other political positions? Yet, some of you hold Frederick responsible for the losses???

Rather than lecture Mark on the fact that he is out of touch with the voters in Virginia, and to order him to believe Brian's words are "spot on", how about you drop the divisive language, stop ordering people as to what they should/should not believe. Brian gives no facts other than to say Frederick doesn't have the money or time to mount a defense. You forget the fact that the SCC has pi$$ed off a whole lot of people, and don't count those people out for monetary help for Frederick. Both you and Brian have been great champions for the squishy unprincipled moderate side of the party which makes you both "out of touch with the voters of Virginia."


The Bulletproof Monk said:

No offense Mark, but you are a n extremist who's out of touch with the voters of Virginia.
See how that line works, Mark?
How 'bout you drop the divisive vocabulary and start realizing that Brian is spot on in his delivery.
The reasons he list for Frederick's failure are not based on hope and prayer...they are the facts. They are a definitive list of the very things that Jeff lacks this time around.

Can we all get back on the McDonnell and Bolling bus, now?

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Permalink Reply by Mark Collins on April 8, 2009 at 9:04am

It's actually kind of funny when you say that Bulletproof because I was once accused of being a moderate on this same site.

The Bulletproof Monk said:

No offense Mark, but you are a n extremist who's out of touch with the voters of Virginia.
See how that line works, Mark?
How 'bout you drop the divisive vocabulary and start realizing that Brian is spot on in his delivery.
The reasons he list for Frederick's failure are not based on hope and prayer...they are the facts. They are a definitive list of the very things that Jeff lacks this time around.

Can we all get back on the McDonnell and Bolling bus, now?

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Permalink Reply by Mark Collins on April 8, 2009 at 12:09pm

Brian,

I only brought up that you were a moderate because if someone is going to speak against Frederick, it would hold a lot more weight if it were someone who was ideologically aligned with him. If you hold differing views you can say that it's not ideological but it would still look like it was.

Are you suggesting that there are no true conservatives that could fund raise or lead the party? Are there no Ronald Reagan's out there anymore. Why don't we just recruit Howard Dean to the post. He's a helluva fundraiser and organizer. Is there a point at which idealogy does matter? Why is it that the democrats can accept leaders from the far left to run their organizations while Republicans insist on finding Moderates. It seems to me that the Democrats just won an election running against GOP moderates. I have no problems with having moderate voices in the party. I do not think that they should be leading the party.

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