Grassroots Network of the Republican Party of Virginia
Censorship and Evesdropping
Mr. Ditch,
I would hope that a person who is a member of the Republican Party of VA thinks censorship is a thing found in communist Russia, Cuba and East Germany. But alas, it is alive and well in Virginia and propagated by our own Party. But how can this be? Surely one would look at the extremely negative opinion that will be formed when members are made aware of such an action. What do you and the Network administrators fear from the voice of the grass roots? Could it be a overwhelming sense of paranoia? Or is it the reality of the situation and the enormous outcry for Chairman Frederick to go. How does a man that obliviously cares about the Party and its health demonstrate to its grass roots patrons that their voice should be squelched? Maybe you should reread the letter I sent to Patricia Phillips and reread her response. Then look back at our founders and the Veterans since the Revolution who have paid in blood for the right of free speech. What triggered the removal? Maybe the private communication between two members questioning whether we would receive equal treatment in regard to notifying all members of a new group or where the group could be found. O. P., you are squandering an opportunity of goodwill and fair play which only you can set it right. You proudly bear the seal of the Republican Party of VA, yet today you tell 80 % of the elected members of the SCC and their constituents that their voice and opinion does not count. Remember the Seal belongs to all members of the Party.
Respectfully,
Mike Wade
I would hope that a person who is a member of the Republican Party of VA thinks censorship is a thing found in communist Russia, Cuba and East Germany. But alas, it is alive and well in Virginia and propagated by our own Party. But how can this be? Surely one would look at the extremely negative opinion that will be formed when members are made aware of such an action. What do you and the Network administrators fear from the voice of the grass roots? Could it be a overwhelming sense of paranoia? Or is it the reality of the situation and the enormous outcry for Chairman Frederick to go. How does a man that obliviously cares about the Party and its health demonstrate to its grass roots patrons that their voice should be squelched? Maybe you should reread the letter I sent to Patricia Phillips and reread her response. Then look back at our founders and the Veterans since the Revolution who have paid in blood for the right of free speech. What triggered the removal? Maybe the private communication between two members questioning whether we would receive equal treatment in regard to notifying all members of a new group or where the group could be found. O. P., you are squandering an opportunity of goodwill and fair play which only you can set it right. You proudly bear the seal of the Republican Party of VA, yet today you tell 80 % of the elected members of the SCC and their constituents that their voice and opinion does not count. Remember the Seal belongs to all members of the Party.
Respectfully,
Mike Wade
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Permalink Reply by O. P. Ditch on
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Debbie Gingras,
I have not removed any "private" communications between two members of this network. I don't even think I have access to it unless it is addressed to me. We have removed negative public posts that attacks elected Republicans or Republican Candidates, as stated in our Mission.
Apparently Mr Wade doe not want to follow our Mission guidelines. Let him start his own network, and pay for it. If he does, I hope he doesn't harm the Party. You have free speech, start you own blog or network.
Respectfully,
O. P. Ditch
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Permalink Reply by Mike Wade on
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Mr. Ditch,
You need to be factual. The group was taken done 3 hrs after going up. Please provide where the negative comments that were listed on site. There were none. I know for fact organizer made a statement as directed by your network to civility and decorum. Face it you saw the membership growing and you pulled the strings to keep your 8% of the members from seeing the overwhelming want for Jeff to go. Why didn' t you answer my email before, I know why? And as present you and a handful of people are making quite negative comments about our Party, its nominees and FELLOW GRASSROOTS MEMBERS. By the way the comment on your site that people who do not support Jeff, are not grassroots people shows your true nature. I guess like Mc Sweeney only you can give a member a conservative grassroots certification. Lay off the Kool Aid and realize you need to get YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU GO SPOTTING NONSENSE.
Mike Wade,Chairman
Third District Republican Committee
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Permalink Reply by Joseph Taylor on
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I am offended that You would attempt to lecture a Veteran on Freedom, Shame on you. Maybe You should spend more time building a strong organization in the 3rd so You wouldn't have to have Bobby Scott for a Congressman.
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And another thing, I voted for Hager over Frederick because I knew Hager would be able to raise money and run the party well. But where do You get off on attacking a Great American like Pat Mcsweeney, Were You one of the ones that stuffed the ballot boxes for Gilmore at Convention?
Mike Wade said:Mr. Ditch,
You need to be factual. The group was taken done 3 hrs after going up. Please provide where the negative comments that were listed on site. There were none. I know for fact organizer made a statement as directed by your network to civility and decorum. Face it you saw the membership growing and you pulled the strings to keep your 8% of the members from seeing the overwhelming want for Jeff to go. Why didn' t you answer my email before, I know why? And as present you and a handful of people are making quite negative comments about our Party, its nominees and FELLOW GRASSROOTS MEMBERS. By the way the comment on your site that people who do not support Jeff, are not grassroots people shows your true nature. I guess like Mc Sweeney only you can give a member a conservative grassroots certification. Lay off the Kool Aid and realize you need to get YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU GO SPOTTING NONSENSE.
Mike Wade,Chairman
Third District Republican Committee
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Permalink Reply by Mark Collins on
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I'm not nearly enough of a Virginian to have any idea what is going on here. I will say this about the founders of this website removing content:
It would be very easy for opponents of conservative values to come on here disguising their own values to create disharmony. That requires some degree of watchfulness.
It is also necessary to avoid those within the party, whose candidate loses in a primary of some sort, being in here airing their grievances after the fact. They could also be in here trying to destroy the opponent they lost to simply out of spite. That is not what this website is for.
We need to keep this from being a place where rumors are started. I'm not sure that there are any facts that lead to any wrongdoing by Mr Frederick. I certainly have not found any in my own research.
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No offense Dave, but I do not personally know you. For all I know you are a Democrat operative in here to help their cause. I trust that you are not and that you have some honest concerns about some of the Republican candidates.
That said you have to understand that while it is necessary for us to keep pressure on our representation to stick to our party principals it does not serve this website or those on it to have people in here attempting to prevent Republicans from getting elected.
The bottom line is that this particular website has a purpose. It only then makes sense to prevent people from being on here and trying to subvert that very purpose.
Wouldn't you agree??
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Permalink Reply by Sandy Cope on
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Mark- I disagree that anyone here should not make statements against Republican candidates. I have no idea what is going on with the Frederick issue, and I doubt many do know all the details. The fact is that there is a public boiling caulderon between Frederick and the SCC, which is playing right into the Democrats hands. If Frederick isn't doing his job, based on factual sound information, he needs to go. If the SCC is on a witch hunt because of elite power plays, past animosities, and is bringing up rediculous charges against Frederick (publicly) then they need to go. If the two sides can't meet face to face privately to hammer out differences, and come to sound decisions for the good of the party and the state, not for the good of any individuals, then the RPV will once again take a blood bath.
As to the candidates that are running for any office in the state, it is not good enough for me to have a few choosen people determine if they are the right candidates for the job. When I see that some regional GOP groups are having a heck of a time trying to find anyone to run for elected office, that means that if you claim an R after your name, you are in. As we have all seen, the Dems are not very good at "vetting" their candidates or appointments, but, they are very very good at "vetting" any Republicans running. Are we not better off vetting candidates behind closed doors, and knowing who we are supporting, rather than to have the Democrats bring to the public, information such as tax evasion, wife beating, child pornography or any other destructive information. A warm body is what gets us into trouble every time. There must be some means of determining what principles, values, ideas and goals a candidate holds, in order to know that if they are elected, that they will vote with Republican principles every time, even when it may not seem popular. That is the only way the Republicans will ever have a party identity, that is trustworthy.
My main point is that we must hold dear to the principles that made the party great at one time, and we must not keep allowing those that run away from those principles, when the times get tough. Rather than expanding the tent to any and all, the tent can expand if we state our principles and hold our candidates to them, and then invite those that agree into it. I am really sick and tired of desperately trying to appease everyone, just so we can get those few votes from those particular groups. You can't please everyone all of the time. When the Republicans finally figure that out, we will grow as a party.
Mark Collins said:No offense Dave, but I do not personally know you. For all I know you are a Democrat operative in here to help their cause. I trust that you are not and that you have some honest concerns about some of the Republican candidates.
That said you have to understand that while it is necessary for us to keep pressure on our representation to stick to our party principals it does not serve this website or those on it to have people in here attempting to prevent Republicans from getting elected.
The bottom line is that this particular website has a purpose. It only then makes sense to prevent people from being on here and trying to subvert that very purpose.
Wouldn't you agree??
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I do agree with you Sandy. I was simply pointing out that we cannot allow this website to be used to advance anyones personal agenda. When you said that you have no idea what's going on with Frederick you hit it on the nose. All we've seen is someone come on here and start rumors that had a lot of people confused. If solid facts were deleted than that indeed is a problem. If there are no facts than those that run the website have a responsibility to prevent people from starting irresponsible rumors and furthering someones agenda.
On the Rush Limbaugh program they screen their callers. A seminar caller is someone who has been trained by the left to get past the call screener for the purpose of denigrating conservative values on the air. Personally I'd prefer to see them let more liberals on the air because there's nothing to be ashamed about in conservatism but Rush has a formula and it works. My only point was that there is a place for censoring people on here who's goal is not to discuss legitimate issues that help to maintain the conservative values of our party. I don't know if that is the case here or not.
Sandy Cope said:Mark- I disagree that anyone here should not make statements against Republican candidates. I have no idea what is going on with the Frederick issue, and I doubt many do know all the details. The fact is that there is a public boiling caulderon between Frederick and the SCC, which is playing right into the Democrats hands. If Frederick isn't doing his job, based on factual sound information, he needs to go. If the SCC is on a witch hunt because of elite power plays, past animosities, and is bringing up rediculous charges against Frederick (publicly) then they need to go. If the two sides can't meet face to face privately to hammer out differences, and come to sound decisions for the good of the party and the state, not for the good of any individuals, then the RPV will once again take a blood bath.
As to the candidates that are running for any office in the state, it is not good enough for me to have a few choosen people determine if they are the right candidates for the job. When I see that some regional GOP groups are having a heck of a time trying to find anyone to run for elected office, that means that if you claim an R after your name, you are in. As we have all seen, the Dems are not very good at "vetting" their candidates or appointments, but, they are very very good at "vetting" any Republicans running. Are we not better off vetting candidates behind closed doors, and knowing who we are supporting, rather than to have the Democrats bring to the public, information such as tax evasion, wife beating, child pornography or any other destructive information. A warm body is what gets us into trouble every time. There must be some means of determining what principles, values, ideas and goals a candidate holds, in order to know that if they are elected, that they will vote with Republican principles every time, even when it may not seem popular. That is the only way the Republicans will ever have a party identity, that is trustworthy.
My main point is that we must hold dear to the principles that made the party great at one time, and we must not keep allowing those that run away from those principles, when the times get tough. Rather than expanding the tent to any and all, the tent can expand if we state our principles and hold our candidates to them, and then invite those that agree into it. I am really sick and tired of desperately trying to appease everyone, just so we can get those few votes from those particular groups. You can't please everyone all of the time. When the Republicans finally figure that out, we will grow as a party.
Mark Collins said:No offense Dave, but I do not personally know you. For all I know you are a Democrat operative in here to help their cause. I trust that you are not and that you have some honest concerns about some of the Republican candidates.
That said you have to understand that while it is necessary for us to keep pressure on our representation to stick to our party principals it does not serve this website or those on it to have people in here attempting to prevent Republicans from getting elected.
The bottom line is that this particular website has a purpose. It only then makes sense to prevent people from being on here and trying to subvert that very purpose.
Wouldn't you agree??
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Mark- You missed one of my main points. It is becoming more and more disgusting that their is a faction on here that is rooting for Frederick, and there is a faction that is rooting for the SCC. I had to read a link to see the letter that the SCC wrote with their claims against Frederick. Since it appears the SCC are the ones with the problem, tell it like it is, with facts, and proof that the problems have been addressed to Frederick, and that he refused to work them out. Short of that- STOP AIRING DIRTY LAUNDRY. Now it is even hurting McDonnell's chance at the Governorship. Stop with the circular firing squad within the party!!!!!!! This should never ever be about power, it should be about what is best for the citizens from Virginia.
And yes, the RPV website, which I believe is to promote the Republican party, should be staying out of the fracas, and not taking sides in this very divisive and childish battle. Right now, it is embarassing to be a Virginia Republican. That's what you get when you have a few choosing their guy!
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It's getting quite embarassing when you go onto other national websites and find more information about the Frederick feud than you can find here at the website designed to unite the Republican party of Virginia.
From Erick Erickson of Redstate
Virginia's Congressional Republicans Unite to call for the ouster of Jeff Frederick
To actually make the ouster happen, there needs to be a Conservative alternative. May I suggest Shaun Kenney?
All five of Virginia’s Republican members of Congress have joined the call for state party chairman Jeff Frederick’s exit. . . . U.S. Reps. Randy Forbes, Frank Wolf, Rob Wittman, Bob Goodlatte and the second-ranking Republican in the House, Eric Cantor, signed the letter.
They join the Virginia Senate GOP’s caucus and Bob McDonnell.
Now here is the problem: the conservatives in the Virginia GOP have been burned before — that’s why Frederick is there in the first place. The conservatives demanded him because of past abuses by the liberal GOP faction, which included supporting massive tax increases.
To get the conservatives to go along with it, a conservative is going to need to step forward as a replacement candidate. The First Vice Chair, Mike Thomas, is not an acceptable replacement for the grassroots of the party.
Might I suggest Shaun Kenney? Yeah, I know, he’s no Ed Gillespie. But he’s good, knows the grassroots, and could do the job better than Frederick or a lot of others. And he would be a conservative who could do the job.
There needs to be a conservative alternative to Frederick to make this happen. Kenney would be a good fit. And he’s got a history of strong innovation outside the party to benefit the party.
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Permalink Reply by Donald Joy on
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Come on, people, we really should just accept the reality that we sort of have to more or less "air our dirty laundry" as a party here in Virginia and everywhere else, nationally too (Michael Steele should be dumped like a dirty diaper, btw).
After the butt-whipping we've taken all around in the last 3 years, we all cannot realistically expect to have anything other than a full-blown reckoning that turns the GOP inside out, literally. Most Republicans, as far as I'm aware, knowingly and rather eagerly embraced the idea of a rancorous purge of the weak sisters from the ranks after our last trouncing. I say, let's just get on with it and stop being squeamish about it.
That doesn't mean that everyone that undergoes our internal vetting will be booted out. If anything, those that survive the trial by ballot or blog or scourging in whatever form will be the hardened, tempered steel that carries our victory train out of the dark tunnel, by God.
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Donald- I agree that those that don't adhere to the party principles should find another job. We need to build a party of strength based on those principles, so that there is no doubt what you are voting for, when you vote for a Republican. It's more than time.
Donald Joy said:Come on, people, we really should just accept the reality that we sort of have to more or less "air our dirty laundry" as a party here in Virginia and everywhere else, nationally too (Michael Steele should be dumped like a dirty diaper, btw).
After the butt-whipping we've taken all around in the last 3 years, we all cannot realistically expect to have anything other than a full-blown reckoning that turns the GOP inside out, literally. Most Republicans, as far as I'm aware, knowingly and rather eagerly embraced the idea of a rancorous purge of the weak sisters from the ranks after our last trouncing. I say, let's just get on with it and stop being squeamish about it.
That doesn't mean that everyone that undergoes our internal vetting will be booted out. If anything, those that survive the trial by ballot or blog or scourging in whatever form will be the hardened, tempered steel that carries our victory train out of the dark tunnel, by God.
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