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Tragedy struck India by terrorists who visciously attacked the most innocent souls imaginable, an American rabbi and his wife along with another visitor to the Jewish Chabad House, a religious refuge...a father from Virginia with his young daughter making a spiritual journey also. Thanksgiving was bittersweet and sad this year. I remembered Joe Biden's bizarre warning, "Gird your loins," telling us we would soon be tested due to the time of transition and Obama's youth. The terrorists aren't wasting any time; they're starting early and they mean business. This is reality. This is not a test. I am certain now more than ever that National Security is our most pressing issue. I supported John McCain for that reason among others. Without proper national security, nothing else matters. Let's pray for the fallen and do more than just "gird our loins," whatever that's supposed to mean. God Bless those who lost their lives this week.

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Yes, Debbie, this is only a reminder of what can happen. Only us conservatives understood the real meaning of the "test" Biden warned about, and we voted to protect our Nation. The rest of the voters were duped by "words." We must keep trying to open the eyes of those who were duped.
Debbie, Do you suppose our forefathers had forseen this and that is why our Constitution calls for a separation between Church and State? Our wise founders knew, we needed a government and army that would protect our nation to be led by Patriots who could put Country first and would be responsible to a free and brave people. They saw the mistake in having clerical governance and armies of a subservient people spreading fear and dominance and only responsible to the clerics who controlled them. We go to war to protect ouselves and other's that the soul's of free men may blossom in whatever their religious beliefs are so long as they don't impinge upon others. Our enemy goes to war, a "Jihad", to conquer the souls of all in their path and of those that would try to live free!

May God bless the families of the fallen and guide them through their grief. May God give Mr. Obama and Biden the wisdom to recognize the danger, the presence of mind to accept the advice of our Generals, and the fortitude to protect us as we have been these last 7 years!
JOIN.........WORK HARD...........STAY FREE !!
Yes, I see it the same way you do. It's also interesting that the first rule of law was actually religious (the Torah is probably the oldest written code of law). People would not listen to mortal rulers and there had to be a method of governance. To ensure that all are protected by the law equally and without prejudice, the Founding Fathers separated church (synogogue and mosque, etc.) and state. They were probably religious men who knew that the governing system had to evolve on a different civil dimension separate from faith, although it was faith that guided them. The Jihadists are stuck way back in a very primal and evil place that's difficult for us to comprhend.
You've got a handle on it, so does OP, now we just need to get all of those who have been hoodwinked to see the light!
I'm not sure what constitution and founding fathers y'all are referring to, but the U.S. Constitution and the founding fathers of this great nation did not mention anything about a separation of church and state in this country's Constitution. The phrase "SEPARATION OF THE CHURCH AND STATE" is nowhere found in the U.S. Constitution (however it is found in Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto!) It was coined in the U.S. from a letter the principle framer of the Constitution and Third President Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Association assuring them that he would keep the Government out of the Church (NOT the Church out of the Government).
Frank:
Thanks for clarifying that. It sounds like you have been an avid student and I should hit the history books as soon as I have time.
Deborah,
We all, as citizens, should do more to learn our true history. I use the course materials provided by the Institute on the Constitution (www.iotconline.com ...based out of MD). It's a DVD course, or online, and is awesome. It is divided into 12 two-hour classes and we hold these classes at Camille's Sidewalk Cafe in Fredericksburg Saturdays from 3-5 PM. Maybe you could join us sometime to see if it is something you'd like.

Frank
Well said Frank. The idea that there is a Constitutional separation of church and state is one of the biggest frauds ever to be perpetrated on the American People. What the Constitution actually says is :Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Therefore, it's guaranteeing a freedom of religion, not a freedom from it. The fallacy of the "wall of separation" dates back to 1947, when the Supreme Court erroneously decided Everson v. Board of Education based on the very Jefferson letters you refer to.

Which is a very long-winded way to underscore the importance of appointing Justices who actually read and understand the Constitution.
Brad,
Also well said. Here is a link to an article on the IOTC's website addressing the exact subject: http://iotconline.com/IOTC-NewSite/articlesofint/articl_wall.html Its title is "Jefferson's 'Wall' not in Constitution"

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