I agree Sandy. What I find strange is that Bush, throughout his Presidency was willing to do things that made him unpopular with either side. Why would you then say he was spineless with TARP. If he truly believed he had to do it he was actually very courageous. He did something that he had to know would alienate the few conservatives who still supported him.
If he did something he didn't believe in then yes he was in this case spineless but who was he trying to please. Remember that while this truth commission has been set up, Bush would only have needed to make a deal with Obama to protect himself. I do not believe for a minute that Bush would have done that because I don't think he really gives two hoots about his legacy. I believe he made decisions based upon his principals. That doesn't mean he couldn't have jumped the gun on TARP. It will be the one thing about his Presidency that I believe he will personally regret because I think he trusted his people and made a hasty decision based upon bad information.
I also think he is now and will forever regret not fighting the dems as hard as he fought the terrorists. He backed down on Social Security Reform, Fannie Mae Reform, School Vouchers, he allowed an expiration date on his tax plan, he signed on to a liberal expansion of Medicaid, and he refused to hold the line on spending. Somewhere he actually must have thought he would get credit for trying to bring both sides together.
I was thinking that it was his principals from which he gained his beliefs. Like back when he was in high school.
I totally agree with you on TARP. My point was that he did have people (mainly the American people from the conservative right) telling him that this was a bad idea, wrong, not going to work, and wrong. If he believed he was doing what had to be done then it was brave of him to do so because he did it in the face of strong opposition. If he didn't believe in what he was doing then I don't understand what could have motivated him to make such a blunder.
Another thing that he missed was in the budget deficit. He showed throughout his terms that you could increase government reciepts by lowering taxes on the wealthy. He could have put an exclamation point on that by lowering spending in his first six years and running a surplus. Instead you have the libs saying that lowering taxes lead to the deficits when in fact reciepts were at record levels. Only out of control spending lead to the deficits.
OMG how far from the original topic have we gotten?!
If I had a chance to go back in time and help select a Dem. pres. candidate OTHER than Obama, I'd RUN to the polls. From what I've read, Moran's record seems to indicate that he might be somewhat moderate compared to the other two. I think the one flaw to an operation chaos would be nominating someone that is believed to be "unelectable", so given the fact that McDonnell is not a guaranteed winner, I will go and vote for the "safest", least radical Democrat in the primary, just in case.
There's nothing wrong with an Operation Chaos type grassroots effort by Republicans to get out and support the weakest Democratic candidate in their primary. Until Virginia wakes up and recognizes that open primaries and conventions are a bad way of choosing candidates and we get voter party registration and closed primary elections, this is a viable tactic and one we shouldn't eschew out of some misguided notion that there is something unseemly about it.
I would suggest that those who want to do this vote for Moran. At this point, he's the weakest of the three Democrats and he is doing significant damage to himself with the Democratic base by launching a variety of poorly thought out attacks against McAuliffe. Generally, I think both Moran and McAuliffe are weak candidates, but McAuliffe is a better fundraiser, which makes him a greater threat.
The whole idea that we should choose the most conservative of the Democrats in case we lose doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Both Mark Warner and Tim Kaine were both considered to be fairly moderate for a variety of reasons, but we all know full well that neither of them were conservative on the issues that mattered. In the end, the only way we can be sure that we will have someone in office who represents our Republican principles is by electing a Republican.
You also need to remember that there is far more to being Governor than just the individual in the job. All of the various appointments made by the Governor matter too, and if Deeds wins, those will all go to Democrats, regardless of whether they are as conservative as Deeds or not. Those people will all have influence and they are likely not going to be conservatives like Deeds is.
Whatever we do, we should be focused on ensuring that McDonnell gets elected. The best way to do that is to put the weakest Dem up against him, and right now that is Moran.