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I always think when I visit this site or attend Republican Party functions, if there is any room for moderate voices in the party? Although, I do have conservative values in most of my thinking, I am not totally entrenched in them. I believe that there is a time to raise taxes. I believe there is a time to limit gun ownership. I believe there is a time to allow abortion. I find it ironic that those who are fervently against abortion in all cases are way past their child bearing days and please understand that I am not making light of this issue as I am generally against abortion.
I thought that after the many recent defeats by the Republicans in local, state wide and federal elections we would start getting smarter, but sometimes I have my doubts.
I hear leaders in our party state that we are making strides in making this party a more diverse party and then I look around the room and feel I am in a corporate board room.
We have an opportunity with the upcoming elections to bring more people in the party with the election of candidates such as Bob McDonnell, but I wonder if we will find a way to screw it up.
I would like to see if others share my views on this or if I am a lone fish in a sea of sharks.

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You refuse to factually argue against--in fact, you argue in favor of--the ongoing and runaway galloping of our country toward socialism, because you fail or will not see that the same pap that you proclaim about equal opportunity and non-discrimination flies in the face of our fundamental liberties.

Yes, I know that most of our law schools today have been overrun and infiltrated by Marxists. You eagerly drool at the prospect being welcomed into the pantheon of that profession. Well, Pol Pot and countless other statists were "educated" in the West, also.

You cannot have it both ways--either you believe in liberty, or you don't. You simply wish to avoid defending liberty so that you can be admitted to the circle of fellow travellers.

You haven't given one single example of any oppostion of your own to the runaway socialism gripping our country, even though you claim to be opposed to it. For your information, ALL of it is being ushered in under the auspices of your precious "equal opportunity." What do you have to say to that? Don't you realize that the socialists primary propaganda phrase is exactly that--"equal opportunity"?

You should be offended by my postings and my proper hatred, becasue it is my intention to offend and make you suffer the consequences of your folly and/or willful depravity. People like you preach on against hatred, and try to declare it off-limits or inappropriate it for others, yet you never acknowledge its real value, especially when you secretly use it to your own purposes even as you denounce it in others. Again, what is politically incorrect is exactly what I seek to promote, for the simple reason that political correctness is in fact communism, and if one does not hate communism, one is an evil person.

Brian W. Schoeneman said:
Donald, your posts are filled with hate. Your arguments are rife with inconsistency. Your comments ignore the last two hundred years of constitutional law. You claim to love the Constitution but you have an infant's understanding of the document.

You claim that I am league with communists - I am not. You claim that I have betrayed America - I have not. You call me a pathetic loser - I am not. You have claimed I want to discard America's principles - I do not.

What have I done? I've disagreed with you. I've argued against discrimination. I've championed the ideals that Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence and tried to explain to you what Madison meant in the Constitution. I have argued for unity, for understanding and tolerance of the viewpoints of other Republicans. And I have thanked you for your service to America.

In response, I have been met with insults to my intelligence, my integrity, my honesty, and my patriotism.

It's unfortunate that a civil discussion with you on these issues seems impossible.
My 13-month old son understands the Constitution better than you do, and if you ever realize your need to be deprogrammed from the leftist law school professors and Soviet moles that have overtaken the university, I won't charge you a dime for my personal tutelage in the interest of giving you a real education in the law. Consider it my pro-bono and Godly magnanimosity toward a wayward Republican who, if he demonstrates the willingness, may yet be afforded, by yours truly and not by the goverment, the opportunity of salvation from the clutches of the communist cabal.

It's your decision, son.

Brian W. Schoeneman said:
Donald, your posts are filled with hate. Your arguments are rife with inconsistency. Your comments ignore the last two hundred years of constitutional law. You claim to love the Constitution but you have an infant's understanding of the document.

You claim that I am league with communists - I am not. You claim that I have betrayed America - I have not. You call me a pathetic loser - I am not. You have claimed I want to discard America's principles - I do not.

What have I done? I've disagreed with you. I've argued against discrimination. I've championed the ideals that Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence and tried to explain to you what Madison meant in the Constitution. I have argued for unity, for understanding and tolerance of the viewpoints of other Republicans. And I have thanked you for your service to America.

In response, I have been met with insults to my intelligence, my integrity, my honesty, and my patriotism.

It's unfortunate that a civil discussion with you on these issues seems impossible.
Brian- One thing you have been is consistent, mostly, with your positions that make it appear as though you have bought into the Liberal "notion" that the Constitution is a "living, breathing document" which is open to change, just as you seem to believe that the Republican Platforms are open to change and disagreement, because your personal beliefs don't line up with what is written. I guess that is why you think we should move beyond the sticking points. I just posted the article from the front page which gives a clear vision as to a moral society, which include all of the Social issues" that you "could care less about." If the Founding Fathers felt as you do, that social issues can't be changed, because a Supreme Court decided wrongly, we would never have had the great country that many have valued. By your picture I am assuming that you have never lived in a country that believed in right and wrong. It appears that you are one of the youngins' who was indoctrinated with a liberal education. Even though I went to grade school in the 50's, and saw the massive protests by the pot smoking hippie anti-war protests in the 60's, who spit on our military on their arrival home from the Vietnam War, I held my values and beliefs through it all, only to see the country now bowing down to the Communists that they now glorify. To have a desire to become a lighter version of the Liberals doesn't bode well for the once free country. You are aiding and abetting the enemy when you say "we can all work together, be bipartisan, and all will be well. You are foolish to have bought into the game that McCain found out was a losing proposition. My views are not part of the problem, they are part of the solution, that is, if we can find some Republicans to stiffen their spines, and speak the truth to the population.

Brian W. Schoeneman said:
Donald, your posts are filled with hate. Your arguments are rife with inconsistency. Your comments ignore the last two hundred years of constitutional law. You claim to love the Constitution but you have an infant's understanding of the document.

You claim that I am league with communists - I am not. You claim that I have betrayed America - I have not. You call me a pathetic loser - I am not. You have claimed I want to discard America's principles - I do not.

What have I done? I've disagreed with you. I've argued against discrimination. I've championed the ideals that Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence and tried to explain to you what Madison meant in the Constitution. I have argued for unity, for understanding and tolerance of the viewpoints of other Republicans. And I have thanked you for your service to America.

In response, I have been met with insults to my intelligence, my integrity, my honesty, and my patriotism.

It's unfortunate that a civil discussion with you on these issues seems impossible.
Excellent post Donald- Unfortunately you are talking to someone who already has preconceived notions of what the Government role should be in all of our daily lives. You can't nail jello to the wall and make it stick. As I have said, Brian apparently is the product of a Liberal Indoctrination education. We already know he is the poduct of a "Compassionate Conservative." Donald your comments are rationale, reasonable and intelligent. You are dealing with someone that I have described as a "defense lawyer" who will find every excuse in the book to defend the indefensible, and, will take his bullhorn to shout about how wrong the Conservatives are. It's OK Donald, there are alot more of us's them them's.

Donald Joy said:
Okay Brian, please explain to me how you are going to enforce the concept of "equal opportunity" without violating anyone's right to private property and liberty.

The Constitution specifically enumerates the sacred rights of liberty and property as those that governments are supposed to exist in order to protect, yet our country and people like you have twisted and corrupted the very notion of government and rights, and have perversely brought us to the point where mob-voted theft of private property and liberty is seen as a legitimate function of public administration in the interest of rights which are neither enumerated in our Constitution nor having any basis in the fundamental principles of natural rights philosophy. Your imagined right to equal opportunity is based instead on communist collectivism which subverts and destroys individual liberty and property.

I shouldn't have to hire someone I simply don't like, and using your own example, yes, if someone has long hair or is a Republican, and it happens that for whatever reason I just can't stand to be around or deal with long-haired people or Republicans, then for crying out loud it is my own God-given liberty to freely associate with whomever I choose NOT to hire them. But you would deprive me of that right and say that I am denying them an opportunity for no good reason. I say, my liberty and freedom of association is so far beyond being a good enough reason, based on the right given to me by none other than GOD--and that there absolutely does not exist your imagined and spurious 'right' to not be discriminated against. For that matter, personal discrimination is one of the most primary and precious exercises of the free will a human being can possess and use, and often saves people's lives and property when they use it well.

But Marxists like you think that I and anyone else should be prevented from exercising my right to free association, and should be forced to associate and deal with whoever your Soviet politburo deems deserving of my personal economic goods--all in the name of your wielding some kind of tyrannically myopic, centrally-planned version of "fairness."

And while we're at it, just how exactly does an opportunity differ from an outcome, anyway? Upon close consideration, they are in fact essentially the same thing. If I work hard and save and buy books and spend time carefully seeing to it that my 1 year-old son can, by the time he is of school age, read and write far ahead of most of his his peer group, I have invested my own property and liberty so as to give him an advantage over others in the developmental and competitive sense as pertains to educational advancement and later economic opportunities. So at the outset of life, when we would normally think of the situation as merely falling into the category of "opportunity", I have nonetheless achieved an outcome for myself and my son, a personal exercise of will and creativity completely outside of governmental interference, coercion, confiscation, collectivism, voting, taxes, legislation, and so on.

Yet, people like you arrive on the scene. You observe that some childrens' parents, many childrens' parents in fact, do a relatively poor job providing for and tutoring and nurturing their kids along the path of literacy and intellectual aptitude. Many of the kids' parents are in jail, addicted to alcohol and/or drugs, or otherwise are just irresponsible, absent, unknown, or otherwise just limited in abilities. You decry the fact that the children will clearly suffer, immediately and over time (due to various factors that involve not only parental resources and involvement but also genetics, nutrition, hygeine, etc.) disadvantages compared to my son in the arenas of education and work and so on; they are in jeopardy of not having "equal opportunity" as you like to call it. Such a situation is in fact an outcome, however it obviously directly impacts the immediate and future opportunites for the children in question.

You argue for legislation that passes requiring property owners like me to fork over exhorbitant amounts of my personal income in order to pay for buildings, teachers, materials, technology, and all manner of means by which the average students and those who fall far behind my own son in development are to be brought along as a cohort in a public laboratory which amounts to the collective means by which all these children are to be afforded "equal access to education" and engineered toward the egalitarian ideal of a "level playing field" where relative advantages are erased, where privileges and opportunities are not to exceed the limits of whatever the committee decrees, where my own private property is seized by force and put at the disposal of the self-appointed wards of the products of those who couldn't or wouldn't be troubled to devote the same kind of care and breeding that I did with my own procreative decisions.

I begin to protest. I say that outcomes and opportunities are two sides of the same coin, and that the government's proper role is not to interfere in the microeconomic prerogatives of free citizens, as is clearly the case with Fairfax County seizing my property for the (mis)education and homosexual brainwashing and Marxist anti-American indoctrination of my child and other children of strangers to me in my extended community in the bloated, inefficient, dangerous, and derelict public school system. I say that I want to home school my kid, or enroll him in a private school, and thank you very much but I'll keep my income and good luck with funding your public schools.

You say, "Donald, how could you? You're denying these other children equal opportunity to the kind of development and education that you've given your son, or at least a bare minimum of what our community has voted is desirable and fit for all children around here!!"

I say, "No, Brian, their parents, or genetics, or God, or fate, or whatever factors that came to bear on the fact that these other kids are behind my son in literacy, are the ones denying these other kids their so-called "equal opportunity"--I'm not the one doing as you allege. I didn't pressure their unmarried reprobate biological forbears to fornicate, give birth, and bring onto the scene a child whose future is markedly less promising than that of my own toddler here, and while I certainly will volunteer in the community to tutor any of these kids who demonstrate the willingness and ability to learn, and who doesn't stab me and others who are trying to help him or her along, and I most cheerfully will and do donate some of my income, free time, and abilities to the local church and volunteer groups in the efforts to spread literacy and the common well-being, foster the culture, etc., I refuse to accept that any law can compel me to surrender the fruits of my creative labors and time, my freedom, so as to engineer an opportunity(which is, after all, nothing more than an outcome itself) for the kid of some illegal alien all the way across the county whom I've never met and really don't want to meet nor help in any way."

Limited government means exactly that, Brian: Limited government.

Make up your mind about whether you want to be a Republican or a Democrat.

Government, laws, public policies and programs are illegitimate and illegal in nature--even if voted for in referendums by clear majorities--if they exceed the Constitutional authority specified in the founding of our republic.

It certainly is not for a just government to socially engineer and micromanage the myriad economic opportunities of a would-be free people. Government is supposed to secure our inalienable rights, that is all.

Liberty and property are essential and inalienable, even by those like yourself that claim there is such authority as to seize the property and livelihood of some in order to afford opportunities to others. Nowhere is it evident that the business of government is to mete out and manage a never-ending cornucopia of imaginary and ever-expanding entitlements such as education, housing, food, health care, union strikes and sabotage and work slowdowns, taxpayer-funded abortions and "gender reassignment," daycare...

Brian W. Schoeneman said:
Sandy, that's not how bankruptcy works. The union still had to agree to the new contract.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/31/AR2...
The unions weren't making excessive demands. Most of the problems that the UAW and the big 3 are dealing with now are the long-term results of the companies being profitable. The biggest cost to the companies is the cost of the pension and health care obligations made thirty years ago, not the Union's contracts now. The UAW had just signed a deal with GM before the market crashed that would have seen significant changes in their contracts to help GM compete. And they've already been willing to reopen discussions during this latest go around. You can't blame the Unions for everything. It's not black and white. Gettlefinger isn't thumbing his nose at the companies - he's been right beside Waggoner and the others arguing in favor of the bailouts and making clear that the union is ready to compromise in order to keep the companies going. He's not an idiot - if GM fails, all of his members are out of work. Unions aren't inherently good, but they aren't inherently evil either. Neither are corporations. Both sides need each other to balance things out.

When Chrysler went begging to the federal government back in 1979 to help them stay afloat, they got their loan, and it was repaid by 1983. The company went on to be successful. We've been through this before. I don't support giving GM or Chrysler any more money, though, and I think a structured bankruptcy is in their best interests. But I don't blame the Union for everything because there's more than enough blame for both sides.

I don't care about whose fault the current economic crisis is. I agree with you that the Democrats played a large role, but I don't believe we were entirely blameless either. The point isn't about assigning blame, it's about fixing the problem. And Obama's policies aren't going to fix the problem. That's why I oppose them. We owe it to the American people, though, to present our ideas and to provide alternatives to Obama's plans, not simply opposition. We won't win elections if we don't give people a reason to vote for us. And "because the other guy is bad" isn't a reason.

In terms of Unions, I believe that on regular, day-to-day issues, labor and management should be working together instead of against each other. We live in a global economy now, and we aren't just competing with other American companies. We're competing with foreign companies, with different standards of living and governments who are willing to subsidize them. That's our true competition, not each other. If our companies are going to stay competitive, both sides need to cooperate and work together.

I am 100% for opposing Democrats on issues where they are wrong and, especially on the economy, I believe we need to be fighting as hard as we can to win the argument. Obama's plans will not fix the economy, and we can't leave this kind of crushing debt for our children to repay when we're gone. Uou and I seem to be in agreement on many of those issues, even if we disagree about unions. The larger point I've been trying to make is that right now is not the time to be arguing about social issues - it's foolish to argue about what color carpet you should put in the house when this house is on fire. You put the fire out first. We've got more pressing issues to worry about. So why are we choosing our candidates based on their stance on abortion or gay marriage? I want candidates who are willing to fight and who understand what our economy needs to right itself. Those are the criteria we should be looking at when choosing candidates today.

Sandy, it's hard for me to give credit to you and Donald when you misconstrue everything I say. I am not saying we need quotas or that an employer shouldn't be given a free choice to hire the employees that he desires. I am simply saying that he shouldn't be permitted to exclude people for no good reason. Not being qualified is a good reason. Having long hair or being a Republican is not a good reason. If an employer hires the best people for the job and they're all white, I could care less. But if he's turning away others who are as well qualified or more qualified, that's wrong. I want all of these decisions made by merit.

That's what equal opportunity is fundamentally about - making things a meritocracy where you aren't judged by anything other than your qualifications.
BTW- This discussion, thead is getting as old as the "pot" thread. There are some that just want to display their "massive intellectual genius" to us poor untended bitter folk, who cling to our guns and religion. No point in trying to make the blind magically see. Brian, please don't ever run for office with an R after your name. You are so much more a better fit as a Democrat.
Brian- Just vote Republican, even when the Conservatives win the day. Or, I guess that will be your time to go Democrat. You are hopelessly mired in "compassionate equality." Thanks Bush for creating another great mistake, it is one of many.

Brian W. Schoeneman said:
Sandy, I'm sorry for misreading your comment. I guess I just find it unfathomable than anyone in this day and age still thinks discrimination is okay.

And, again, those platforms were adopted after debate and discussion. There's no reason to end the debate or discussion just because we passed a platform. The world doesn't stop because someone has said "this is what I think." We don't vote for parties in this country. We don't vote for platforms. We vote for people. We elect people. We shouldn't take the individual out of the equation because there is so much more to elected office than parroting a party platform.

As I said before, I agree 100% with the Republican creed. I don't agree 100% with the 2008 party platform. I don't have to. That's one of the benefits of being an American - we each have the freedom to determine our own political views for ourselves.
God bless you, Sandy, and God help the Republican party and our United States of America at this dangerous time. We are literally teetering on the brink of the socialist abyss.

http://townhall.com/columnists/GeorgeWill/2009/04/12/racing_past_th...
All politics aside, Happy Easter my friends.
May God bless our America

Tom Andrews
Happy Easter to you also Tom, and everyone on the RPV network. God Bless America, the land of the free, and the home of the brave!
Donald, Thank you, I can use and appreciate all of the blessings that God has bestowed upon me, and I wish all of God's blessings for you also Donald. I read the George Will article you linked, and, it makes my stomach get tied in knots. There is hardly a day that goes by that I don't read articles that spell out the impending disaster that the Liberal Administration is bringing upon our country. Unfortunately we have no Conservative/Republican Leaders at this time that are willing to stand up and take the truth to the people, at any cost. It is going to be the grassroots, like you and me, that will stop us from going over the cliff. The Tea Parties are only the beginning. We will successfully wrench back our once great country from the Socialists/Communists. Donald, it will take people like you who are teaching their children the difference between right and wrong, and, good moral values, and the value of freedom.

Donald Joy said:
God bless you, Sandy, and God help the Republican party and our United States of America at this dangerous time. We are literally teetering on the brink of the socialist abyss.

http://townhall.com/columnists/GeorgeWill/2009/04/12/racing_past_th...
You know Brian, Donald had you pegged right from the beginning. With every comment you have made, and with every nonsensical response you have made to Donald's questions, and mine, it should have jumped right out in everyones face that not only are you not a Republican, but, you are on this site weakly claiming to be a "Moderate Republican." You sir are a loser and a Liberal. How do I know that, I have plenty of proof. See Below-

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Brian W. Schoeneman serves as Executive Director of the American Maritime Congress, a maritime trade association and research organization representing American ship operators in the international and domestic trades that have collective bargaining agreements with the Marine Engineers' Beneficial Association (AFL-CIO). He has served in this capacity since August 2006. Prior to his recent appointment, Schoeneman served as Director of Government Affairs for the Marine Engineers' Beneficial Association, the nation's oldest maritime Union. He previously served as the union's Assistant Political Director. While at MEBA, he was responsible for overseeing the Union's political and legislative departments, including their political action committee.

He is a 2004 graduate of the Graduate School of Political Management at the George Washington University in Washington, D.C. and is a 2001 graduate of the Columbian College of Arts and Sciences at the George Washington University. He currently serves as the MEBA delegate to the Northern Virginia Central Labor Council, and is a member of the Board of Directors of the George Washington University Alumni Association. He is also active in a number of maritime related organizations, including the Propeller Club of the United States, the National Defense Transportation Association, the Navy League, and the United States Naval Institute. He resides in Fairfax County, Virginia.



Let's start with the above info stating that "he was responsible for overseeing the Union's political and legislative departments, including their political action committee." Not only are you a Union Organizer, but, you are a freaking Union Lobbyist. I ask, just how much in donations did your Marine Engineer's Benefical Association give to the Union loving current Liberal/Communist presidential campaign?

And then let's go here- "He currently serves as the MEBA delegate to the Northern Virginia Central Labor Council." Didn't take much research to find the website for the above organization, which is pushing for the "EMPLOYEE FREE CHOICE ACT." Take a look everyone-

http://www.unionvoice.org/novaclc/home.html

So, we are pushing hard for McDonnell and Bolling to win in November, and, one of their greatest positions is in keeping Virginia a Right To Work State-

McDonnell ad Bolling stand up for Virginia's Right to Work Law
http://www.billbolling.com/index.php?page=news&views=000000791


I gotta give it to you Brian, you have some big ones coming on a site that is doing everything it can to be successful in electing Republicans to take back our great state of Virginia from the Socialist/Communists, claiming to be a moderate, and chastizing those of us that really are Republicans/Conservatives, and telling us that with our attitudes we will cost Republicans elections. You are one of the worst kinds of trolls. Seems like if I go and take a look at the Daily Kos website, I will see your fancy picture there also.

You have used the word "compassionate" in your comments many times, yet you would see Virginia, who is a business friendly state (before Kaine and will be after Kaine), to lose the small businesses that are the life blood of any economy, so that you can redistribute the wealth away from those that provide jobs, to your Union Goons that will break the backs of every small business, with your support for the CARD CHECK legislation. God is good, on Easter Sunday he showed me the way to bring to light one of the most dangerous people commenting on this website. You should be banned jerk!
I wanted to wish everyone a Happy Easter. As we sit back on what should be a peaceful day, I wanted to reflect what the meaning of Easter is. Well for millions of Christians, "it is a way of honoring and recognizing Jesus Christ's resurrection from the dead, and His glorious promises of eternal life for all who believe in Him." Whether you are a Christian, atheist, Jewish or a Muslim, I find some significance in this day as Republicans. Can we all agree that this is an opportune time for the resurrection of the Republican Party, some sort of resurrection from the dead?
It is unfortunate that some people still take the time on this holy day to show their intolerance to other views instead of reflecting on how we can join together and make this a greater party. However, I am resigned to the fact that there are some people that just will not compromise and would rather see the collapse of an institution stead of working together to make it stronger.
That being said, I again wish everyone a Happy Easter.

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